Conference 2002
Workshop I
Workshop II
Workshop III
Workshop IV
Final Group Discussion and Summary
Schedule
Photos of the June 2002 Meeting
Workshop IV: Translational and Cross-Disciplinary Integration
Chair: S. Grant; Scribe: R. Kortekaas; Spokesperson; M. Delgado
SG: intro: How should we translate back and forth between any of
the fields of clinical observations, anatomy, function and animal
experimentation?
We only discussed these two questions:
1. IS DEPRESSION AN ACTIVE STATE?
C: Depression is a group of syndromes, some patients are anxious and
active, others sad and passive.
C: When looking at animal models e.g. forced swim test, they suggest
that depression is a loss of an active coping response. [A brief discussion
about the validity of animal tests follows.]
SH: Mother-infant separation in non-human primates is a good depression
model. Here we don't see passivity in the infant.
[Comment about maternal deprivation in rats, but we agree that this
is a completely different model.]
JF: The effects of reserpine resemble depressive symptoms.
RK: Yes they do, but should we conceptualise depression as a disorder
of incentive or consummatory neural processes i.e. do patients initially
stop wanting or enjoying? Or maybe they stop wanting
because they don't enjoy?
SN: So if we remember that reserpine potently reduces dopamine function
in the brain and also that dopamine is involved in responding to reward-indicating
cues, maybe depression is merely that lack of responding to reward
cues.
C: And an accentuation of responding to negative cues!
SG: Normal people were found to have an unrealistic bias towards the
positive, while depressed people are more realistic.
C: If this dopamine theory is true, why is the accumbens never implicated
in models and theory about depression?
C: It ought to be.
C: The cortex is more important.
JF: What about the autonomous nervous system in depression?
C: It is roughly normal.
SH: The way to go is to start with a primate model, because we know
that these animals can develop real depressive symptoms. Then this
should be transferred to rats.
C: Recovery from depression may lead to suicide. Also sleep may improve
first, then eating patterns normalise and finally mood is improved.
So we're looking at different systems with varying sensitivity.
SG: We need to lose these self-report measures like Hamilton if we
intend to do drug screening.
JF: What good monkey model could we use for depression?
SH: Show the monkey pictures of other monkeys. If there is a shift
in responding towards negative responses e.g. aggressive grimacing
to a picture of an infant, this could indicate a depression-like state.
Gr comments on the involvement of the 5-HT system in depression.
C: Why not use a depression model in an animal and record units from
VTA or Acb while the animal responds to various stimuli?
SG: Or is depression an inability to switch between emotions?
C: But in bipolar affective disorder there is too much switching.
SH: What is actually the difference between major depression and the
depressive state in bipolars?
SG appeals to the clinicians to keep us realistic, since we know no
better.
C: Clinically it looks the same, but from twin studies, genetic studies
and population studies there is evidence that the mechanism is probably
different.
C: The response to antidepressants is different in bipolars and major
depressive disorder: the formers only switch faster while in the latter
mood improves towards normalcy.
SN: Maybe DA is for the short-term switching and 5-HT for longer term
emotional switching.
SG: If rats, after an aversive event, take longer to start responding
for a reward (e.g. nose-poking), this may be a good depression model.
Gr: Phosphoinositide response to anti-bipolar drugs is on a similar
time scale as the mood response.
SG: But what is the connection? [
] Affective perseveration?
RK: This could very well be the case, since all cortico-striato-thalamo-cortical
(CSTC) loops are organised similarly irrespective of whether they
deal with motoric, limbic, cognitive or oculomotor domains. Depression
could be much like the classical frontal perseveration syndrome, but
then in the limbic domains.
MK: Parkinson's patients show depression and motor perseverance in
addition to the classic cognitive perseverance (card sorting). Since
they have a lack of dopamine, this may be prerequisite for any switching
of activity in CSTC loops.
SG picks up the 'vague' hypothesis launched by SN: maybe the biogenic
amines only differ in time scale but not in function.
JF: The amygdala habituates easily to happy faces, but not to sad
ones.
LP: is there a transmitter or structure that is tightly bound to sadness?
C: TMS has implicated the prefrontal cortex.
C: Subgenual cingulate cortex.
C: Amygdala!
C: Just below the STN there is an area that, when stimulated, produces
intense sadness.
SN: Is L-DOPA effective in relieving a non-parkinsonian depression?
C: No, none of the dopaminergic drugs have any beneficial effect on
non-parkinsonian depression.
SG: bingeing on food or drugs can also be seen as perseveration.
4. WHY ISN'T BASIC RESEARCH INTO DRUG ADDICTION INFORMING THE
HUMAN CONDITION (TREATMENT, CRAVING, ETC)?
SN: One of the main reasons may be that we rely too much on self-administration
and that the mechanisms behind this are entirely different from human
addiction.
JF: Heroin can be replaced by methadone, is there something similar
for cocaine?
NM: Amineptine!
SG: Yea, but it doesn't work, though.
SN: How does methadone work anyway?
Gr: It's a partial agonist, right?
RK: It's actually a full opioid agonist with the same euphoric effects
and addictive potential as heroin itself. These are only dampened
by its slow absorption resulting from oral administration.
Gr: Do people show sensitisation to the effects of stimulants like
we see in rat locomotor activity?
SG: No.
C: When cocaine self-administering rats are abstained and then reinstated,
they use more cocaine than before.
SG: In the early days rats' relapse could only be induced by stress.
Later they found that certain cues could also induce it. Finally a
prolongation of the abstinence period turned out to produce a very
high rate of reinstatement.
C: A recent paper in J.Neurosci. showed that the incentive value of
a drug increases with duration of abstinence.
SG: Are there any clinical correlates to this observation?
C: There may be a correlation between LMA sensitisation and relapse.
[JM and SG exchange comments about the self-administration model]
LP: Drug taking is not always coupled to the intention to feel good.
C: Exactly: as addiction progresses, the motivation to use increases
while pleasure drops.
FORMULATE A QUESTION/ISSUE FOR PLENARY MEETING ON TUESDAY MORNING
JULY 2.
Is the concept of perseveration useful as an alternative angle on
depression, bipolar mood disorder, ADHD and addiction?
C: comment by unnamed participant, Gr: Steve Grace, JF: Julie Fudge,
JM: J. McGinty, LP: L. Peoples, MK: Martijn Keitz, NM: N. Mercuri,
RK: Rudie Kortekaas, SH: Susanne Haber, SG: Steve Grant, SN: Saleem
Nicola
Workshop IV (Group C): Translational and Cross-Disciplinary Integration
Chair: D. Van der Kooy; Scribe: S. Totterdell; Spokesperson; J. M.
Deniau
The group focused on: Why isn't basic research into drug addiction
informing the human condition (treatment, craving etc.)
Attempting to identify therapies developed in the past 10 years,
a number of suggestions were cited from the animal literature.
· CRF antagonists block withdrawal symptoms (Koob et al.,)
· Alpha-2 agonists block stress-induced relapse (Jane Stewart)
· Partial D1 agonists & 5-HT2A/C antagonists block craving,
measured as the blocking of cocaine-induced motor sensitisation
· Drugs acting on the dopamine transporter are of interest
as they display prolonged effects that peak about 96h after administration
· Cannabinoid receptor antagonists are believed to be undergoing
testing in primates
Does block of craving have any clinical relevance with respect
to relapse?
· There appear to be no compounds that block craving in animal
trials that are suitable for administration to humans so this cannot
be addressed.
· The use of Naltrexone was mentioned: alcoholics on Naltrexone
still drink but not as much.
How do you measure success in the treatment of addicts?
· In cancer care, survival for an additional 5-10 years is
considered a valuable intervention
· In comparison, is an addict 'treated' if they are restored
to being able to function in society (work, maintain healthy relationships,
refrain from violence)?
In this context, methadone treatment is successful. Nevertheless,
there is a moral and social dimension to attitudes to the treatment
of addicts. Even more than for cancer in smokers, individuals are
blamed for their dependent state and criticized for lacking the will-power
to stop drug-taking.
This might be addressed by understanding whether drug addiction
is a disorder of affect or motivation or both (Question 2).
· Depression may be a disorder of motivation and affect.
· The motivational element is possibly very important in young
people suffering from depression who find it hard to initiate a behaviour
that might produce a pleasurable outcome.
· Is it that addicts need something to do to replace drug taking?
Those addicts who really need treatment are those whose whole life
is spent seeking more drugs.
· There may be a difference between addicts who are self-motivated
to recovery and those who are not. They do not appear to suffer any
less, as a group, from withdrawal symptoms but they are motivated
to persevere.
The group moved on to consider if addiction is primarily liking
or wanting or whether learning is more important. It was
thought difficult to disentangle learning deficits from motivational
deficits. Points made include:
· Motivation is innate but testable
· Are anhedonic people predisposed to drug addiction, making
their behaviour a form of self-medication?
· Does motivation, focusing (pathologically) on drug acquisition,
or the anhedonic state drive addiction? The consensus was that this
is different in different addicts.
· A common cause for addiction may be the need to 'feel better'
and addiction is then a maladaptive learning of how to do this.
· In people who do not become addicts there are competing motivations
that focus behaviour on other goals or other means to achieve the
goals.
· However, once addicted, the hedonic response is reduced.
Do addicts continue to take drugs to avoid the ensuing 'down' state
provoked by withdrawal from the drug? This anhedonic state can last
weeks after withdrawal from a drug.
· Craving is different, being more associated with learned
cues of situations in which drug taking has taken place and the hedonistic
response has been experienced
The answer to Question 2 was BOTH.
However, addiction may reflect habit without either motivation
or improved affect and learning this habit may be 'better' with drugs
than with natural reinforcers. Nevertheless, to drive a craving so
strong that it interferes with other aspects of life may require some
affective change.
The discussion around this question moved to smoking and addiction.
· Tobacco is very addictive but multiple cigarettes in a day
do not all produce a hedonic response
· Nevertheless, each cigarette follows a period of withdrawal,
reinforcing the notion that smoking 'makes you feel better'. Each
smoker experiences this thousands of times. Is the addiction also
linked to a search for the high that follows the first cigarette of
the day?
· Smoking is also a cued behaviour. At the end of a meal, or
in a bar, you need a cigarette but on an aeroplane, where smoking
is not possible, craving is apparently absent.
· The importance of the 'high' was questioned since ex-smokers
still crave a cigarette, despite 'knowing' that is will taste awful.
NB self-reporting of state is notoriously unreliable, especially
if retrospective.
We moved on to discuss whether there are common mediators of addiction
pathways that could lead to therapies that might be beneficial
as early interventions, preventing the learning of 'pathological'
associations.
The criteria for such a therapy is that it should:
· Be readily accessible and instant
· Produce a positive affective response
· Be under the control of the subject.
Is there a genetic predisposition for compulsion?
· There are distinct behavioural profiles for different drugs,
but there is evidence for predispositions and for some co-morbidity
of drug taking with other disorders.
Addiction eventually undermines judgement producing a compulsive
state. In that case why do SSRIs treat Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
(OCD) but not addiction?
· A compulsion was defined by reference to an intrusive itch.
The desire to scratch it can be resisted by cognitive control but
the pull to do it becomes overwhelming, producing a brief period of
relief (improved affect?), even if the physical experience is unpleasant.
· In addiction you get transient relief on taking the drug
but very rapidly there is a return of the 'sensation'.
· Orbito-frontal cortical (OFC) circuitry and the striatum
are implicated in OCD but not, apparently, in addiction.
· Nevertheless, on withdrawal of the drug, acutely there is
an increase in OFC activity but over time this is replaced by a hypoactivity
which can last for weeks (measured by 2-deoxy-glucose metabolism).
What brain structures underly relapse?
· The striatum has been implicated in relapse.
· In cue-induced relapse there are roles for PFC and amygdala
since muscimol or lidocaine in the mPFC prevents reinstatement of
drug taking.
· Nevertheless, flupenthixol given to humans does not treat
craving, but this may be because it was administered peripherally
rather than locally.
· Gaps in our knowledge of this field in humans remain since
early imaging studies, which suffered from poor spatial resolution,
have not yet been repeated.
· Perhaps in the pathological state, the PFC has been hi-jacked
to display an exaggerated response to drug-taking cues, although there
is no evidence for an increase in activity in resting states.
· In support of this idea, drug addicts are intolerant antipsychotic
drugs finding them extremely anhedonic.
Discussion moved to adaptive and maladaptive aspects of stress
responses (Question3).
· Human beings evolved to be part of small (familial) groups
which afforded them a degree of security. Rejection by this group
was a greater threat to survival than the threat of individual predators.
· Hence social pressure to conform is still a very strong influence
on behaviour.
· With respect to the question, stress is a good adaptation
from an evolutionary viewpoint, but society has changed. Children
these days are often brought up in smaller groups without the large
supportive network which was probably more normal in the distant past.
· Sleeplessness due to anxiety is regarded as a maladaptation,
but in the past this may have been a positive feature so that predators
could not catch you unawares.
· Maladaptations to stress may include: depression, drug taking,
OCD but ulcers and heart disease are probably more of a threat to
survival.
· With respect to OCD, new parents (human) are found to be
quite compulsive about the care of their offspring, with regard to
frequency with which parents report thinking about their child during
the day but this could be interpreted as a positive adaptive response.
· Similarly in new relationships, thoughts stray to the new
partner. There are physiological changes when pairs bond. In voles,
pairing results in increased release of oxytocin and in its receptors.
Oxytocin levels are also increased at parturition. It is not clear
if this is related to some adaptive change.
· However, there is no real evidence a role for oxytocin in
OCD.
We briefly touched on the brain regions and neurotransmitters that
might be implicated in all of these responses and the usual candidates,
PFC and catecholamines, were mentioned.
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